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circlesizeillussionimagesWhen a violent attack happens we get stereotyped false statements from the right wing. Even from right wing leaders who are considered rational, like Senator Susan Collins, we get statements like this:

“Whenever we have an attack like this it’s difficult not to think that it’s somehow involved in Islamic extremism,” said Maine Sen. Susan Collins, until recently a top member of the Homeland Security committee and still a prime mover on security bills. “I don’t have evidence to back that up. That’s just based on previous attacks.”

Actually when one looks the real evidence, right wing extremism provides the most terrorism threats. Of course that excludes the consideration of corporate greed terrorism that killed at least 14 people in the West Fertilizer Explosion in Texas this week alone.

 

In the graphic above, it is difficult to see the identical circles because of the surrounding perspective. We can fix our perspective with real information. The In the rest of article, I lay out graphs of where our real terrorism threats exist.
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    The power brokers of the conservative movement are fighting a viscous, and dieing battle to hold onto the white, male power structure they feel is slipping away. It is almost painfully easy to illustrate that the fight from the top of the conservative movement is not about our countries greatness. In fact, movement conservative elites are trying so hard to hold onto power they would even destroy the country in the process. Let me explain.

   The first piece of evidence comes from the unofficial spokesman for the conservative movement. Rush Limbaugh said, “When women got the right to vote is when it all went downhill.” Let’s pull this apart a bit. What is the “it” that went downhill after women got the vote?

   Since women got the vote, America experienced the Golden Age of Capitalism. Obviously women voting was not a direct cause of this, but one certainly cannot describe America as the conservative “it” that went downhill when we were about to experience the largest capitalist economic expansion in the history of the planet.

   Women got the vote in 1920. Just a short twenty years later, Henry Luce penned a seminal essay labeling the century to come, “The American Century”. So, when Limbaugh and other conservatives say it all went to hell when women could vote, it could not have been America they were really concerned with. Heck, those woman who got the vote in 1920, they literally birthed what has been called “Our greatest generation”.

    What are movement conservatives lamenting the decline of, if not America? In their zero sum game of power it can be only thing. In their minds, giving power to women, must automatically by default take power from them. I will quote directly another movement spokesperson, Bill O’Reilly. “They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure,…”, and John McCain’s response was, “No, you’re right.” So, on of the top mouthpieces for the movement and the movements last political choice for president both support my premise. Enthusiastically.

     Carefully examine everything that is being done by Tea Party Congresses, State Legislatures, and Conservative governors. We literally spent the American Century trying to expand access to voting booths. It wasn’t just women. Our leaders broke down barriers to voting for the poor, minorities, and women. A rational person would conclude that giving power to minorities and women does not diminish your power. In fact, it made our country stronger, and by consequence all people stronger. Logically the only ones who could fear losing power by increasing voting are the white males. The ones who always had the vote. So, if the American Century and our Golden Age of Capitalism were typified by an expansion of voting, what does it say about those trying to make it harder to vote?

   The conservative movement wants nothing less than a repeal of the 20th century. Look what the leading conservative literature recently said about when things were great. In the National Review they said, “”most of the world worked better in colonial times,”. Worked better for who? Answer that question and I am pretty sure you cannot deny my premise.

    What else can you possibly say about a movement that has spent the first part of this century trying to dismantle the American Century. What can you say is their goal, when they tear down everything our Greatest Generation did. Whose power are they trying to protect? What do they really care about?

    We experienced the American Century and the Golden Age of Capitalism AFTER women got the right to vote. We experienced the greatest rise to power AFTER the New Deal. We rose to greatness AFTER child labor laws were enacted. We rose to greatness AFTER Medicare reduced senior poverty from 1 in 3 to 1 in 10. We rose to greatness AFTER the the Labor and Civil Rights movements.

   Certainly none of these accomplishments hurt America, and were part of our greatness. Our conservative movement wants to get rid of all of these. What are conservatives fighting for when they try and dismantle the New Deal? What group feels threatened by Child Labor Laws? The expansion of voting rights in the 20th century certainly benefited many new groups, but who are the only ones who might feel threatened? Those who had a monopoly on the franchise before.

    In conclusion, our last century saw a tremendous rise in power for our country. We have a far ways to go, but we added entire classes of people to the American dream. Historians, economists, and journalists all documented this rise. Now the conservative movement wants to repeal almost ever major thing involved in our century of greatness. You cannot logically conclude these movement elites care about securing American greatness. You can only logically conclude they are trying to protect their own power.

Update Right on cue, the Nuge goes ahead and adds to the Patriotism of returning to pre-greatness America. A time that was great for a few. You know, when the correct folks had freedom. Ted Nugent wonders if we would have been better having lost the Civil War.

Update So, on the cross post over at Daily Kos, the obligatory “Yeah, but Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas, so your wrong” argument came up. Here is a great analogy I would recommend for that.

Straight White Male is the lowest difficulty setting there is.

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Don’t say we didn’t warn you

by Joe Bodell on April 30, 2012 · 4 comments

Never to be confused with a progressive (or even a moderate), Norm Ornstein took to the pages of the Washington Post to admit what readers of this and other progressive blogs already thinks: It’s the Republican Party’s fault. All of it.

We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.

I’ve said it many times before, most recently in a post about State Rep. Mary Franson: there are many, many thinking, feeling conservative Americans with whom a discussion about politics isn’t just interesting, but enlightening and possibly even productive. I love talking politics with these folks, because they have a great attitude about talking the issues and don’t get caught up in the heat of the moment any more often than I do.

None of these good people has any role, voice, or future in today’s Republican Party. Only people like Franson, Michele Bachmann, Allen West, and the rest of the anti-reality crowd have any say in where that party’s going as of right now.

Burn it all down, start over from scratch, for the future of both the party’s proud history and the nation’s future.

And while the mess is being cleaned up, perhaps progressive leaders can do something about the mess caused by four decades of supply-side economic spin and ethnoreligious jihad.

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EricF put up a post yesterday (with video!) where Plymouth Republican Sarah Anderson mistakes Rochester New York with Rochester Minnesota – while in session, at the capitol.

It’s the kind of stuff that can’t be made up.  But hey – it’s not as if Sarah Anderson hasn’t had video-worthy activities in St. Paul before – let’s look!


campaign report, Sarah Anderson, Plymouth, GOP, Representative, legislature, SD 43A, extremist, extremism, Rochester, convention, civic center

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It’s clear that former MN Gov. Tim Pawlenty isn’t gaining any traction.  We’ve been telling you about his poor polling numbers here at MN Progressive Project.  But aside from his haphazard to nearly schizo campaign strategy and complete lack of charisma, his other problem is he’s the wrong kind of christian extremist.

The evangelical minister who inspired him to convert from Catholicism has long been derided by the extreme right wing evangelicals as siding with the liberals on too many issues:

[Rev. Leith] Anderson, meanwhile, bucked the trend, sticking to nonpartisan preaching. He boasts that in three decades of leading church services, he never once delivered a political sermon.

That’s not to say he ignores the subject altogether. In his capacity as president of the nonpartisan NAE, Anderson is frequently blasted by his conservative co-religionists for taking left-of-center stances. He has spoken out against Arizona’s immigration crackdown, championed pro-environment “creation care,” and signed an appeal to lawmakers to protect government welfare programs from budget cuts.  (The last move-which came last April in the midst of the blistering national debate over the federal deficit-led conservative evangelical minister Eric Barger to proclaim on his blog, “Leith Anderson fiddles with Marxists as the church burns.”)

Perhaps most troubling to the religious right, Anderson led the NAE to issue a press release in 2010 titled, “Evangelicals Concur with Obama on Multiple Issues.” Anderson’s conciliatory approach to politics earned him a spot on the White House’s interfaith advisory council, but it has also angered Christian culture warriors who believe that one of their most prominent spokesmen is allowing his attention to drift from the more important social issues.

This helps explain why Pawlenty is making zero headway in Iowa and Michele Bachmann leads the latest poll, doesn’t it?

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Videos: Counter punching MN GOP

by JeffStrate on June 19, 2011 · 0 comments

A likely State government shut down and Minnesota’s Republican dominated legislature are the two central issues headlining the current edition of Democratic Visions.   Rep. Melissa Hortman (DFL Dist. 47B), AM950 radio’s Nancy Nelson and host Tim O’Brien take the right wingers on – take them on reeeeal good – in four new Democratic Visions videos linked below the fold.  
Hortman, a 4th term legislator from Maple Grove/Coon Rapids, is a DFL House minority whip.  Award winning broadcaster Nelson, a long-time Eden Prairie resident, knows virtually every Democratic leader in Minnesota.  They are guests on her nightly, drive-time AM950 (KTNF) show, 5 p.m. to 6 p.m.

Representative Melissa Hortman (Part 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
With Representatives John Benson and Steve Simon adding perspective to the current legislature.

Representative Melissa Hortman (Part 2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…

Nancy Nelson Unplugged (Part 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
The effects of a state shutdown and a defense of Governor Dayton.

Nancy Nelson Unplugged (Part 2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
Nancy and Tim O’Brien go after the ludicrous, extreme right wing Republican bills that Governor Dayton had to veto.

Democratic Visions is produced by volunteers through DFL Senate District 42 for the enire metro region.
The program can be seen in Hopkins, Minnetonka, Edina, Richfield and Eden Prairie
On Channel 15 Sundays at 9 p.m. and Wednesdays at 5:30 p.m.  The series is also carried on Bloomington Cable Access Television Channel 16 on Tuesdays at 2:00 p.m. & 10:00 p.m., and Wednesdays at 2:00 p.m.

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Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) was right wing radio and let loose with a doozy.  She feels most comfortable on right wing radio because they believe in all the conspiracy theories as much as she does.  Sometimes, she let’s her guard down.

HOST Mike Gallagher: Why can’t liberals acknowledge the horrors of using terrorism as a means to an end? Didn’t we learn anything from 9/11?

BACHMANN: You would think so, but yet it seems like there is this common cause that is occurring with the left and with radical Islam, the elements of radical Islam. There’s a great new book out by Andy McCarthy called … “The Grand Jihad.” … It’s a brilliant book. I’ve been immersed in the book. People should go out and buy this book.

It’s frightening to think how the left in this country, just as you’ve correctly stated, Michael, is throwing in with common cause with these radical elements of Islamic extremism. And we’re seeing that rise here in the United States. And it’s to our detriment …


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Slit our wrists video.

by Bill Prendergast on September 4, 2009 · 0 comments

You can see video of Michele Bachmann telling conservatives that they need to slit their wrists. And yes: she actually makes the gesture of slitting her wrists, when she tells them that.

The Dump Bachmann blog (the one I USED to work for) turned up a web page with video clips of her now notorious speech to the Independence Institute in Colorado.
(continued)
But it’s interesting because even though she tells the conservatives to slit their wrists to stop health care reform–she predicts that it will pass: the House bill in September, the Senate by December.

And she predicts that Obama will be re-elected, which is kind of heartening.

Here’s a transcript of some of her remarks to that effect:

Question:…what kind of conversations need to happen in Congress to really look at reform at the delivery system and payment reform?

If this goes through and passes the United states will no longer be the same country that we were, so this cannot go forward. We can’t even have that discussion. This cannot pass. It cannot. We have to today make a covenant, slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing, this will not pass. (SHE MAKES THE GESTURE OF SLITTING HER WRISTS.) We will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn’t pass. Some bills you can undo. This will be almost impossible to undo.

(Bachmann lists the tax increase that would go into effect, then:)

If this bill passes this year…all the taxes go into effect in January, but the delivery of the health care doesn’t come into effect until 2013.  So you start paying taxes in January of 2011, but the delivery of the health care starts in 2013. (sic)

Now it’s interesting, curious, that the delivery of this “health care system,” the new rationing system, will happen after President Obama’s election. So the wealthy people will be hit pretty hard by this, but the people who would be impacted by the rationing and the long lines and the decreased level of delivery, they won’t get that starting until 2013. So the voters really won’t feel how awful this system is going to be until after he’s re-elected.

Now these people aren’t stupid. So we need to really consider that too, because if– it would be a miracle for us to turn this around. Let’s say this does pass and the American people just are angry as a hornet, and they take back the House, and they take back the Senate and they win the presidency the next time. The very first action of that president, senate and House would have to be total repeal of this system, the Obama system.  And it’s a really tough, tough sell to do it. Once you give a benefit, it’s really, really tough to take it back. So we can’t let it go through…

When you visit the link below, you’re looking for the second video clip you see on the web page–not the first one.

http://www.joncaldara.com/2009…

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drafts

by Bill Prendergast on September 2, 2009 · 0 comments

The Bachmann advice about how all conservatives should “slash their wrists” to fight health care is the topic of this post.  Two Putt Tommy wrote about that last night in his post here:

http://www.mnprogressiveprojec…

Here, I’ll just comment on the remark from the perspective of a long-time Bachmann watcher and student of the extreme right. Here’s the quote from Bachmann’s speech in Colorado the other day.
(continued)
Addressing an audience of conservatives and speaking of the president’s proposed health care reforms, she said:

“This cannot pass. What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass. We will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn’t pass.”

Naturally her counsel to conservatives–that they must “slit their wrists” to stop health care reform–is making its way around the internet today, particularly in the liberal progressive blogs. The remark might be dismissed as the kind of verbal gaffe that Dan Quayle or George W. Bush became famous for. But people will sense that there’s something more disturbing about a “slit our wrists” gaffe coming from this particular politician.

And they’re right, if they’re creeped out by this. I’m gonna play amateur psychologist here, and try to explain why this should disturb voters. I hope the real students of psychology will give me some latitude here with the terminology.

In my opinion, Bachmann’s “slash your wrists” metaphor was a “Freudian slip.” Most people are familiar with the “Freudian slip” concept via inappropriate and unintentional sexual references by a speaker. (For example, if a person meant to say “the best female leader” but instead said “the breast female leader.” Very embarrassing for that speaker, at a public engagement.)

But a Freudian slip need not be sexual. It is supposed to be an example of the unconscious uncontrollably into conscious speech. Michele Bachmann may not know that the way to become “blood brothers” with someone is to prick your fingers and rub the two little droplets of blood together. But Michele Bachmann certainly knows that slashing your wrists is committing suicide.

And that’s the image that unintentionally surfaced in her speech to fellow conservatives–the unintentional message she delivered was: “we must commit suicide in order to fight our elected government.”

In my opinion, this is an example of “what Michele really believes in her unconscious”–bubbling up, for a bare second, in a speech to a friendly audience. And in light of her other public statements throughout the years: she did not mean that “we as a party and ideology, are committing suicide by fight health care reform.”

No, it was not an unconscious slip revealing her true feelings about the future of her party and movement. In my opinion, it was unconscious slip revealing her feelings about “death” as a necessary consequence of opposing the Obama administration. In other words–I think feels what the extreme right feels: that sooner or later, Americans will be fighting each other to the death for control of the country, and that it is necessary for conservatives to embrace that possiblity to the point of suicidal opposition.

Why do I interpret this slip in that way? Because from her earliest days in politics, Michele has viewed the federal government as “the enemy,” she has viewed our federal government as being party to a big global socialist conspiracy. And sought and received the support of like-minded conspiracy theorists, that’s how she got her start in politics (with that support and the support of the evangelical right.)

In the minds of these people, the political struggle going in the United States is apocalyptic. We’re used to seeing people from all parties argue that “the next election is critical, will change America.” But in the eyes of American extremists and the evangelical political movement–the last election results mean more than that. The installation of a black liberal President with a Dem Congress is a sign that “things are coming to a head,” that we are approaching a political apocalypse involving the violent death of many Americans. The phrase often employed by the extreme right to describe this apolcalypse is “when the shit comes down”–when the global socialist conspirators drop the mask of democratic forms and start to round up conservative Americans into concentration camps, begin to confiscate their weapons, use guillotines to execute them by the tens of thousands and harvest their organs. (Yes, that’s what some of them think is about to happen–because liberals are in charge.)

The embrace of (or infliction of) violent death plays a big part in the thinking of American right wing extremists. But the apocalyptic world view isn’t just “an extreme right” thing. It is shared by millions of evangelicals who believe that the Bible inerrantly predicts the End Times of the world, who believe that we are now living in the End Times and that this age will see the violent deaths of millions as a preface to Jesus’ return to earth.

When millions of citizens believe something, it becomes important whether it’s true or not. Because some people will act out on that belief. And Bachmann is the adopted representative of the two constituencies that total in the tens of millions and have adopted this bloody, paranoid and prophetic view of these times we live in.

The message that Bachmann was unintentionally sending conservatives was (in my opinion): reforming American health care in the way suggested by Obama means the end of American democracy, and bloody suicide is preferable to life under a health care system analogous to that of Canada, Britain or France or any of the other developed Western democracies.”

That’s insane, of course, but I think that’s what she really feels in her heart of hearts. People sometimes ask me whether Bachmann really believes the lies she tells, or whether she’s merely being manipulative. In this case, I think you can fairly attribute to her the belief that the violent deaths of many Americans is preferable to expansion of Medicare to Americans of all ages– socialized medicine.

Lots of good background collected in this article posted in the Colorado Independent. For years I’ve been writing about how Bachmann’s ambitions are national. The authors of this article suggest that Bachmann’s speaking engagement at the Colorado Freedom Conference is attempt to raise her profile with Western conservatives.

http://coloradoindependent.com…

The “gorilla” in the room that I’ve been writing about since 2003 is the role that the national evangelical right has played in Bachmann’s meteoric rise. Chronicling and documenting that is something that I do–but it’s apparently of little interest to other reporters.

You hear a lot about Bachmann on Maddow and Olbermann and the print and digital journals–but the role that organized evangelical conservatives have played and continue to play in her career is something that they routinely ignore. That’s too bad, because you can’t understand why this particular demagogue rose to national prominence so quickly and effectively without investigating the role of the national evangelical right in her career.

I hope they will catch on, eventually–because Bachmann would be nothing without the evangelical conservatives, and because “more Bachmanns” are on their way into elected office because of the evangelical conservative political machine.

Bachmann rates a mention in this Southern Poverty Law Center(SPLC) article on the resurgence of right wing militia movements in the US. The SPLC tracks hate groups:

Going Mainstream
A remarkable aspect of the current antigovernment movement is the extent to which it has gained support from elected officials and mainstream media outlets. Lawmakers complaining about the intrusiveness of the federal government have introduced 10th Amendment resolutions (reasserting that those powers not granted to the federal government remain with the states) in about three dozen states. In Texas, Gov. Rick Perry raised the prospect of secession several months after Obama’s inauguration – a notion first brought up there in the ’90s by the militia-like Republic of Texas. U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said she feared that the president was planning “reeducation camps for young people,” while U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.), evoking memories of the discredited communist-hunter Sen. Joseph McCarthy, warned of 17 “socialists” in Congress. Fox News host Glenn Beck, who has called Obama a fascist, a Nazi and a Marxist, even re-floated militia conspiracy theories of the 1990s alleging a secret network of government-run concentration camps.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel…

That’s the difference that makes a difference: the fact that the conspiracy theories are now propounded not only by the extremists–but by the mainstream sources of information: national broadcasters like Beck, legislators like Bachus and Bachmann. That gives the outright lies an aura of “respectability” that they wouldn’t otherwise have. The elected officials and media types who lend credence to these lies by circulating them are pouring gasoline on a smouldering fire–and they know it.

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Bachmann and “slashing our wrists”

by Bill Prendergast on September 2, 2009 · 1 comment

The Bachmann advice about how all conservatives should “slash their wrists” to fight health care is the topic of this post.  Two Putt Tommy wrote about that last night in his post here:

http://www.mnprogressiveprojec…

Here, I’ll just comment on the remark from the perspective of a long-time Bachmann watcher and student of the extreme right. Here’s the quote from Bachmann’s speech in Colorado the other day.
(continued)
Addressing an audience of conservatives and speaking of the president’s proposed health care reforms, she said:

“This cannot pass. What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass. We will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn’t pass.”

Naturally her counsel to conservatives–that they must “slit their wrists” to stop health care reform–is making its way around the internet today, particularly in the liberal progressive blogs. The remark might be dismissed as the kind of verbal gaffe that Dan Quayle or George W. Bush became famous for. But people will sense that there’s something more disturbing about a “slit our wrists” gaffe coming from this particular politician.

And they’re right, if they’re creeped out by this. I’m gonna play amateur psychologist here, and try to explain why this should disturb voters. I hope the real students of psychology will give me some latitude here with the terminology.

In my opinion, Bachmann’s “slash your wrists” metaphor was a “Freudian slip.” Most people are familiar with the “Freudian slip” concept via inappropriate and unintentional sexual references by a speaker. (For example, if a person meant to say “the best female leader” but instead said “the breast female leader.” Very embarrassing for that speaker, at a public engagement.)

But a Freudian slip need not be sexual. It is supposed to be an example of the unconscious uncontrollably into conscious speech. Michele Bachmann may not know that the way to become “blood brothers” with someone is to prick your fingers and rub the two little droplets of blood together. But Michele Bachmann certainly knows that slashing your wrists is committing suicide.

And that’s the image that unintentionally surfaced in her speech to fellow conservatives–the unintentional message she delivered was: “we must commit suicide in order to fight our elected government.”

In my opinion, this is an example of “what Michele really believes in her unconscious”–bubbling up, for a bare second, in a speech to a friendly audience. And in light of her other public statements throughout the years: she did not mean that “we as a party and ideology, are committing suicide by fight health care reform.”

No, it was not an unconscious slip revealing her true feelings about the future of her party and movement. In my opinion, it was unconscious slip revealing her feelings about “death” as a necessary consequence of opposing the Obama administration. In other words–I think feels what the extreme right feels: that sooner or later, Americans will be fighting each other to the death for control of the country, and that it is necessary for conservatives to embrace that possiblity to the point of suicidal opposition.

Why do I interpret this slip in that way? Because from her earliest days in politics, Michele has viewed the federal government as “the enemy,” she has viewed our federal government as being party to a big global socialist conspiracy. And sought and received the support of like-minded conspiracy theorists, that’s how she got her start in politics (with that support and the support of the evangelical right.)

In the minds of these people, the political struggle going in the United States is apocalyptic. We’re used to seeing people from all parties argue that “the next election is critical, will change America.” But in the eyes of American extremists and the evangelical political movement–the last election results mean more than that. The installation of a black liberal President with a Dem Congress is a sign that “things are coming to a head,” that we are approaching a political apocalypse involving the violent death of many Americans. The phrase often employed by the extreme right to describe this apolcalypse is “when the shit comes down”–when the global socialist conspirators drop the mask of democratic forms and start to round up conservative Americans into concentration camps, begin to confiscate their weapons, use guillotines to execute them by the tens of thousands and harvest their organs. (Yes, that’s what some of them think is about to happen–because liberals are in charge.)

The embrace of (or infliction of) violent death plays a big part in the thinking of American right wing extremists. But the apocalyptic world view isn’t just “an extreme right” thing. It is shared by millions of evangelicals who believe that the Bible inerrantly predicts the End Times of the world, who believe that we are now living in the End Times and that this age will see the violent deaths of millions as a preface to Jesus’ return to earth.

When millions of citizens believe something, it becomes important whether it’s true or not. Because some people will act out on that belief. And Bachmann is the adopted representative of the two constituencies that total in the tens of millions and have adopted this bloody, paranoid and prophetic view of these times we live in.

The message that Bachmann was unintentionally sending conservatives was (in my opinion): reforming American health care in the way suggested by Obama means the end of American democracy, and bloody suicide is preferable to life under a health care system analogous to that of Canada, Britain or France or any of the other developed Western democracies.”

That’s insane, of course, but I think that’s what she really feels in her heart of hearts. People sometimes ask me whether Bachmann really believes the lies she tells, or whether she’s merely being manipulative. In this case, I think you can fairly attribute to her the belief that the violent deaths of many Americans is preferable to expansion of Medicare to Americans of all ages– socialized medicine.

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